Testosterone, nutrition, and health myths we get wrong with Allie Donnell, PA-C

If your New Year’s “get healthy” plan starts and ends in the supplement aisle or on a bathroom scale, Episode 4 of Dealer OOO is a useful reset. Frank and Jake sit down with Allie Donnell, PA-C, a Texas-based physician assistant trained in functional medicine, to walk through their actual blood panels—nine or ten vials’ worth—and translate what those numbers mean in real life.

Allie’s path into functional medicine wasn’t linear. She grew up on a ranch in a small South Texas town and began university studying sports broadcasting before pivoting into physiology research. After realizing research wasn’t the right fit either, she enrolled in PA school and spent years working high-intensity hospital medicine on the night shift. That grind eventually pushed her to look beyond symptom management and toward root-cause care.

That philosophy shapes the episode: nail the basics first (sleep, whole foods, movement), use labs to identify blind spots, and only then consider targeted tools like supplements, peptides, or GLP-1s.

The lab lesson: “normal” isn’t always “optimal”

One of the clearest takeaways is how different an in-depth blood panel feels compared to the standard “CBC, CMP, see you next year” approach. Allie highlights several markers many people never think to track:

• Liver enzymes (AST/ALT): She emphasizes catching fatty liver early, noting the rise of non-alcoholic fatty liver disease—now estimated to affect roughly 25% of U.S. adults.
  
• Inflammation (CRP): Even mild elevations can reflect training load, poor sleep, illness, or stress.
  
• Fasting insulin: Often a better early warning signal than A1C for where metabolic health is heading.
  
• ApoB and Lp(a): More informative than total cholesterol alone, with ApoB reflecting plaque-forming particles and Lp(a) largely genetic.
  

Frank’s detour into heart health—getting a coronary calcium scan and discovering a small score—adds context. Allie explains that calcium scoring detects only “hard” plaque, while other imaging can reveal soft plaque as well. The broader message: health data works best as a baseline and trend, not a panic button.

GLP-1s, peptides, and the “quick-fix” trap

The conversation also tackles weight-loss drugs. Allie sees GLP-1s as useful tools—but not something to use casually or without oversight, especially given how quickly they’ve gone mainstream (about 12% of U.S. adults report having tried one). She’s particularly wary of people skipping protein and strength training and losing muscle along with weight.

On peptides, she groups them by function and stresses quality control and intent over hype:

• Weight loss
• Repair
• Immune support 
• growth-hormone analogs

Inside Jake and Frank’s blood work

Much of the episode centers on Allie walking Jake and Frank through their results in detail. Instead of a blanket “everything looks fine,” she explains what each marker reflects, why “normal” ranges can be misleading, and why trends over time matter more than a single data point.

They start with CBC and CMP panels, covering infection risk, anemia, kidney and liver function, and electrolytes. While both look solid overall, liver enzymes stand out as an area worth monitoring—especially given how common fatty liver has become, even among non-drinkers.

From there, the focus shifts to blood sugar and insulin. Neither host shows signs of diabetes, but Allie uses their results to illustrate how sleep, stress, and training load can influence metabolic health long before a diagnosis appears.

Cardiovascular markers come next. Rather than fixating on total cholesterol, Allie explains ApoB, Lp(a), inflammation, and imaging as part of a bigger risk picture. Hormones follow: although total testosterone looks fine, she explains why free testosterone and SHBG matter more day to day—and why lifestyle fixes come before medical intervention.

They also touch on thyroid function, cortisol, vitamin D, B12, folate, iron, and inflammation markers, with a consistent refrain: labs are tools for awareness, not alarm.

The simplest “starter stack”

For all the data, Allie’s baseline advice is simple. For most people, she says, the non-negotiables look like:

• Vitamin D (especially in northern winters)
  
• Magnesium (she prefers glycinate at night)
  
• Fish oil (quality matters)
  
• Methylated B vitamins (particularly if folate runs low)
  
• More fiber (food first, powders if needed)
  

And underneath it all: sleep. Less hustle culture, more recovery—because no supplement can fix chronic exhaustion.

Allie: [00:00:00] Most people need to supplement Vitamin D unless you could stand outside, naked at lunchtime for an hour every day. Vitamin D, you need it for testosterone production. I'm passionate because from the time you put food in your mouth as like, I don't know, a teenager, your liver starts to become fatty. Your liver can regenerate itself.

Frank: Welcome to Dealer Out of Office. We're your hosts. I'm Frank Sambo. I'm Jake Burkel, and we are here to 

Jake: talk to you about dealer's interests outside of the office. 

Frank: Now watch this draft.

Jake: What is up everybody? Welcome back to Dealer, out of office. I am Jacob Kel. Alongside my good buddy, Frank Zobo. And, uh, happy New Year buddy. Happy New Year. Happy to be here again. Um, we got a cool one today. We all [00:01:00] know that, uh, the start of the new year, the big thing is health and we quite literally bled for this company.

Yes, we gave our blood for this company. Um, Allie Donnell is the guest today who is going to read through our blood panels. Um, I went in there, I don't know about you, but I was shocked at how much blood was actually taken outta my arm. It was like nine or 10 of those, like pretty good sized vials. So we are going to, to dive into this, Allie, thank you for, uh, being here with us.

Allie: Thanks for having me. I'm excited. 

Jake: Now, really quickly, you're in Texas. Um, 

Allie: yes. 

Jake: Explain to us kind of your background, how you got into this, um, and then we'll kind of take it from there. 

Allie: Yeah, well take it to birth now. Um, I grew up in a really, actually on a ranch in a really, really small town in south Texas.

My graduating class had 14 people, so I, and I said the other day, I'm like, I don't think anyone ever from my town became a doctor, really? Anything. Oh, all that impressive. And so I [00:02:00] think graduating high school, I went to a and m, uh, Texas a and m, why don't you hate us or you love us? But, uh, going there, I had no idea what I wanted to do.

Most people didn't go to college, you know, it was just kind of, oh, my sister went to college. I'll just do what she did. Thought I wanted to be in sports broadcasting. Um, so worked for the football department, did all that. And then I'm like, I, I can't just sit around and. Talk about communication all day.

That's just not like I need something more. So figured, what do I like to do? I like to work out. So I switched my major to physiology with a plan to just get my PhD and do some kind of sports research work in a lab. I ended up working in a lab at a and m for the athletes. So the non-football players, they'd come in and do a treadmill stress test, VO two testing, EKGs.

Um, we did some stuff with the police and then the fire, uh, department in college station. Anyway, all that kinda led me down a path of I don't wanna do research all day and be stuck here and make min very, very little money. [00:03:00] Um, no shame against that. It's just really hard work. It taught me a lot of interesting things.

And then I got to senior year, I talked with my professor who had his PhD and he was my boss at the time in the lab. And I asked him, okay, I don't know what I wanna do. Do I wanna get my PhD? And he. I was like, just go to PA school. I would go to PA school. So ended up in PA school again, wasn't really sure, I thought I wanted to do orthopedic surgery.

I was convinced I'm just gonna do surgery, I don't care about medicine, I don't care about anything else. And then I ended up getting into school and realizing, oh man, I really, I need to know everything. I need to know how medications work. I need to know how body system's related. I can't just look at a bone and say, I'm just gonna fix this bone and ignore everything else that's going on.

Coming. I take it back to growing up in a really small town. I lived 45 minutes from the nearest hospital that was not even a good hospital. And if I really wanted to go to the doctor as an hour half away. And so, you know, we would play doctor at home, I'd cut my finger with a pocket knife and we'd bandage it, or my dad would be draining whatever [00:04:00] abscess And giving me, I'm sure cow antibiotics, like who, who knows what I ended up with. Um, but because of that I'm like, there's so many people who just, they're just such a disconnect with. Populations of people and understanding medicine. Um, and so part of me's just like, I just wanna do this for myself and for my family.

And those who don't have access to medicine ended up working in hospital medicine, doing internal medicine at Baylor Scott and White in Dallas. So one of the biggest hospitals in Texas. I work night shift. So we helped run codes, um, do rapid responses. There were three of us for 500 patients overnight.

Anything that happened with all 500 patients, we were the people that, um, they came to. And it was, it was a lot of work. And because of that, I, my health took a hit. And so I ended up researching on my off time and, uh, functional medicine and looking at holistic and root causes and finding how body systems are related just to personally help myself.

And then I figured, okay, if I'm gonna spend all my time researching this, why don't I just make a career out of this? And at that time, functional medicine or [00:05:00] that, that type of medicine was just starting to get popular. I do think COVID and TikTok honestly, um, really helped kind of. Make people realize western medicine isn't all it's cracked up to be.

And that a lot of these studies are flawed and we've been lied to and there's misinformation. And I was there for all the COVID waves there. There's a lot of COVID naysayers, but by the time they got to us, I mean they were, they were so sick 'cause it probably was mismanaged, um, early on in the disease.

So all of that really just shifted me into functional medicine. I ended up getting a. I'm doing a fellowship in functional medicine and so it's where I am today. Um, I helped open a clinic in Houston and so same just root cause medicine. Looking at gut health, hormone health, we, um, do dexa testing, rescue metabolic rate test, um, cancer screens, all all types of things.

So Wow. That's where I am today is a long, long-winded talk. Um, but just say this, needless is my passion, need 

Jake: qualified. So needless to say, you're qualified. She's very qualified. 

Allie: Very qualified. I think I'm qualified. I [00:06:00] think I'm qualified. I don't know. We'll see. You tell me

Jake: one question. Are you the person that everyone goes through now? 'cause like I gotta have a doctor in the family and I cheated. I called her last night. I did kind of go through a little bit of this and asking, Hey, what does this mean? What does this mean? What does this mean? 

Allie: Yeah. 

Jake: Being from a small town is that you are you like the go-to for you know, everything? 

Allie: Oh my gosh, yeah.

On my lunch break, my mom's like, Hey, your, uh, cousin's, second cousin and something's going on, but they can't afford to see you. Can you just go over their blood work with them? Or whatever it is. Yeah, that's, I'm that person. So Lindy, Lindy was my, my patient too. So. 

Frank: And the thing I like to is everyone, I I was also a health fitness kinesiology major.

Allie: Kinesiology, yeah. 

Frank: Yes. In, in college. And everything was very dated in what cholesterol was. And, and now I feel like there's more studies coming out and it's just not by the book of what's been taught for 30 years. And this, these studies, I feel like are not, they're relatively new in how long, like humans have been around.

Frank: Like we've only been really studying this for, I don't, I'm just throwing out like 50, 60, year, [00:07:00] whatever it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So like, it's relatively new of what we're learning still about the human body, whereas it seems like you're taking more of a more modern approach. And again, I don't know that much about what we're gonna talk about in the next 45 minutes where whatnot.

Yeah. But it seems like we're taking more of a modern approach instead of just what everyone's been telling you. The food pyramid, you know, meat's bad bread is good, like that maybe needs to be flop, flipped around nowadays what we're learning. Yeah. So, um, I'm excited to learn more about that. And obviously you're, you're a very credible source for talking about this, and that's what I'm excited about.

Allie: Yeah, and I think a lot of, I will preface and say, you're right, a lot of those studies are dated and it's like there is some good stuff there that now, you know, the, the bad stuff just ends up. Being what's out there more? 'cause that's more interesting, right? That's more click Beatty is pointing out all the, all the bad and all the flawed things.

So there's some stuff that existed that was like, okay, this is good, but now we've had all this misinformation and now it's got misconstrued. But at the end of the day, I'm just like, it's just, it's still gonna be the basics, right? It's, it's the basic things. Are you sleeping? Are you eating whole foods?

Are you [00:08:00] moving your body? Like we've now, there was a point in time where I'm like, everything's killing us. We can't do anything. And, and then it almost gets you to a point where you're stressed about health. That stress about PE is stress in and of itself. And that's not good for you. So it can be like too much on one side and too much on the other.

At some point I was like, screw it all, it's all broken, fix everything. And then I had to take a step back and was like, well, now I'm stressed about breathing oxygen from the air outside. Yeah. So, 

Frank: and Allie, for, for us, me and Jake are middle aged. American, average American. I'm a little younger. Lot of our 

Allie: not quite middle age.

Frank: A lot of our listeners are of that based on in And you're now in Houston. Big  City. What are, what are folks our ages coming in to see you about mostly, 

Allie: yeah. And I, I, I do feel like I'm, at least in the field of medicine, you know, we're cash pay. Prior, I took insurance and, and did all that, but we're cash pay.

So people, [00:09:00] most of the time who are coming in, they're either coming in because they're like the both of you. They're proactive and they wanna be the best they can be. Going in understanding that what they're doing in their twenties and thirties impacts them significantly in their sixties and seventies.

So coming in early to try and stay ahead. Um, but then a lot of people are coming in 'cause they've gone other places and they didn't really get the answers they needed. So whether it be, um. You know, gut issues and being told, oh, you have IBS or migraines. Um, I feel like those are big ones. Acid reflux is a big one, but gut health is a big trigger, um, on, obviously for men, I think people are just coming in more 'cause they wanna know what their testosterone levels are and what they can, what they can do to help 'em feel their best or it's, it's aches and pains that have been keeping them from being able to work out to their full capacity or whatever it may be.

Frank: Yeah. And a lot of modern medicine too, when you have a problem, it's alright, I got a drug for this. 

Allie: It's a bandaid. Yeah. 

Frank: It's a drug for this, a drug for this. And uh, again, I don't know if necessarily that's approach. And then I wonder to myself too, I'm being approached with this drug. [00:10:00] Is that person prescribing me the drug?

Are they getting some sort of like kickback, like I'm in sales? Is that, is that sales rep for that? For that, uh, pharmaceutical is he, you know, taking that guy out to a Red Wings game, like, how, why is he giving me that? You know what I mean? Yeah. So like, and that's just because what they've always done, you give it a, you put a bandaid on it, but like, I like mm-hmm.

Frank: The approach of being proactive and getting ahead of it before you have to get to that point. Or maybe there is a different strategy than, 

Jake: well, I 

Frank: think that for both of us, 

Jake: right? Like, I don't take that many supplements. I know you asked kind of what we take. 

Allie: Yeah. 

Jake: I believe in Whole Foods. I believe, like I bought a cow, like I know where my, where my protein comes from, um, vegetables, this, that and the other.

So like supplement supplementation isn't that big for me and my family. Um, you know, other than like a creatine and a protein powder after working and I think you're kind of, you know, fish oils, you don't take a ton either. Yeah. So, um, you know, both being, obviously I was never A-A-N-F-L football player, but a decent athlete in my own right.

Um, and to your point, like, yeah, we want to make sure that, you know, we set the good foundation [00:11:00] for our 50, 60 seventies, hopefully, you know, into the eighties. That's what's the average. What is the average lifespan now? Is it 75? 

Allie: I wanna say, yeah, I think for women, I mean, women, it's higher than men, but I wanted to say it's like 76. I could just be talking out about it. It's even that, I wouldn't be surprised if we're not, and it's definitely racial, but I'm, I'm pretty sure it's upper sixties, low seventies. 

Frank: But what people aren't looking for anymore is they don't care about your lifespan is one thing, but do you really Yeah. Your health, your health span.

Jake: Yeah. 

Frank: And you won't wanna live those last 10 years of your life. So that's why this being proactive, the Peter Atia 

Allie: Yeah. 

Frank: Method of, of getting ahead of things so you can live, you know, live a better life longer and not just live a long life in a, a nursing home. Yeah. You know, whatever. And then you brought up too, of like supplements. Like, I wanna clear the air right now. Yes. So I played nine years in the NFL. Everyone's always, you know, how would you get so big? And so how'd you get so big so fast? Like God's and my kids worst drug, creatine. That's, yeah. And I, and sometimes I'd blow up on it too, like I'd get and I [00:12:00] would get off of it, but like, it was just protein discipline.

Then obviously you're, you're paid to work out. So it was very like, yeah, I come here to work in the morning. Like I was paid to just go to the gym for a couple hours. Yeah, it was awesome. Right? Like that was every day. So it's very easy if you, and then they gave you food, good food quality food and quality protein and all that stuff.

So you combine those three things, protein, the right vitamins, working out every day and staying active for a job like it, it's pretty easy to get big and, and yeah, lower your body fat. 

Jake: Sure. 

Allie: Yeah. Yeah. 

Jake: And we talked this in the pre-show, right? I think the big trigger was in, you know, we can get into this as we go through it and how that kind of correlates back, but like, I think a big trigger right now is ozempic.

Everyone wants that quick fix. How do you get healthy? How do you lose weight when truthfully. I don't think health and fitness comes in a bottle. It doesn't come in a pill. It's a lifestyle of how, and, and I think what you've, 

Allie: yeah, 

Jake: what you practiced your, your whole career. So, um, I am curious on your take on Ozempic and the, what's the other one?

Allie: peptides We can, we can get right, we can get right into that. Let's [00:13:00] dive Yeah, 

Jake: let's, real quick, 

Allie: because everyone wants to talk about peptides. So I, I'll just give you kind of the overarching, when I think about peptides, there's so many out there. There's a great book, um, I think it's The Peptide Handbook.

It's by James Laval, LAV. A LLE. Yeah, right there. If you ever wanna read it. Um, it's great. It tells you everybody you need to know about every peptide. 

Jake: I don't read science. 

Frank:  Is it an audio book? 

Jake: Can I listen to it? 

Frank: Yeah, 

Allie: it's it's gonna play you, you're not getting no TI 

Frank: testosterone up here in Michigan, but we don't read good, you know?

Allie: Yeah, no, it's okay. I'm from, I'm from public school, Texas. We're not great either, but skip over the science and just like go to like, this is what it's for. This is the dosage. Um, if you really, really wanna get into it. But when I think about peptides, there's kind of categories. So GLP ones, that's it's category, that's the ozempic, that's the branded.

Product that generic is semaglutide or there's Tirzepatide or, uh, RTA is the new one that everyone's, everyone's talking about Reddi two tri or red aide. Um, that's kind one category. And then you have kind of repair peptides, which I think those [00:14:00] are the ones that's getting all the hype. Um, the Wolverine Pack or the Glow Pack, that's the B PC TB 500.

Well, we'll get into those. So it's BCI love. And then there's kind of that category that's the Growth hormone analog. So that's Tessa Marin, cjc, ipa, smolin, those I, those are kind of the more popular ones there. There's some immune boosting ones. Simonus and Alpha, thymus and Beta, and that's the TV 500. So those are kind of my four categories.

If you have a weight, you have repair, you have immune, and then kind of the gross hormone analog one. Um. GLP ones like, I hate it. I hate them, and I love them. Right? Because there are a lot of people who do it ignorantly, right? And they're just taking it without rhyme or reason, getting it from whatever website.

To me, for me to prescribe you a GLP one, you have to earn the right to take it. You have to prove to me, I have done X, Y, Z with my exercise, with my lifestyle, with my diet, and I'm [00:15:00] still struggling with insulin resistance, or I'm still struggling with really elevated cholesterol or an autoimmune condition.

And then at that point I'm like, cool, you've done the homework. I believe that you, you have put in the effort that I've needed to see to where now, okay, you've, you've earned yourself a GLP one. Most men. I mean, in thirties, forties, you're right. If you are metabolically flexible, meaning you don't have high insulin levels, you don't have a high A1C or pre-diabetes, you can probably, and your testosterone's great and you're don't need tons of supplementation.

You're right. You can probably achieve weight loss. I mean, like you said, through diet, exercise, just being really strict about it. The people who, who I think do need the GLP ones who struggle more, definitely more female heavy. PCOS is a big one. Um, women with insulin resistance, pre-diabetes, some autoimmune conditions, GLP ones are being used at a very, very low dose, not at a dose that would produce weight loss, but at a dose that just calms inflammation down.

So that is kind of what that quote unquote microdosing. [00:16:00] That's kind of the times I use it. But for most men I'm like, honestly, you're, you're probably fine. You're probably good to just do the work. And then if something pops up where you now have some metabolic condition where, man, we just can't overcome these blood sugars or my insulin, then at that point adding in on, I think it's beneficial.

Um, but there's hot debate just 'cause people don't know how to use it. And you can tell, like you can look at a girl and be like, man, you've lost a lot of weight. And then she turns around and I'm like, and where's the butt? Yeah, there your butt went, went along with it too. Um, so it's just, I mean, there, there are a lot of ways to chop and screw the GLP ones.

I, I'm not against it. I use them all the time, but you can't just expect to get on one and just not eat and not lift weights and not eat your protein and think that it's gonna go well for you. 

Frank: Question for you. Um. How now, so my schedule kind of go, like, I usually eat really poorly November, December holidays. Right. And then January comes around and I can like lock it in. Usually I'll lock it in for like four [00:17:00] months until golf season comes around. Then you're drinking a little bit more, your, your workouts might not be as regimented. 

Allie: Mm-hmm. 

Frank: And then kind of gradually sustain a little bit up until you get back to November and December.

And then it's just kind of a binge. That's where I'm at right now. I'm at like the worst that I'm gonna be all year. Yeah. Now I don't, again, we've gone over what I've taken. Would it help someone like me that I could maybe jump on a few pep like, you know, my blood work, it's all pretty, pretty good now. Would it help for the next three months if I jumped on some of these peptides and just maybe a little bit of an aid? Maybe it's a little easier for me to tone down or get bigger. 

Allie: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and, and I'll say in all, I'll say in all honesty, I'm not ever gonna prescribe something that I'm like, oh, I haven't taken a shot of, or haven't tried two weeks worth.

So I can tell you the side effects. Or I can tell you, you know, I'm, I'm not ever gonna do something without being like, nah, I tried it or my mom tried it, or someone I know, you know, I've, I've tried it before. I've told you to take it. Um, and I reserve peptides. I say like, if you are a seventh grade B-team patient, you're not [00:18:00] gonna get a, you're not gonna be on varsity, you're not gonna get a varsity peptide.

You, you haven't earned that. So again, someone like you who I look at your blood work and I'm like, yeah, this looks pretty good. You're optimized most for the most part. Then yes, you could really, really benefit from, I like IGF one is a marker that we'll use that's real looking at like, kind of a reflection of growth hormone status.

And that's what cjc, Samor and Teslin, those target growth hormone. Um. Those are not good to do long term, but if you wanna do it for a cycle, yeah, you would, you would definitely have some gains for sure. Um, 

Frank: say no more

Allie:  and it's easy 

Frank: Say no more. Yeah, yeah. No, creatine not anymore. Now am am someone like me up in Michigan, am I able to order that through you directly in Texas and Houston and you can mail that or how does that work?

Allie: Yeah, there, there are certain, there are certain specifics. So for us, I technically would have to have, you would have to have come in [00:19:00] person to like check our boxes, um, to say that. But there are a lot of companies, and I, I am, I'll preface, I'm very suspicious. There's a lot of places you can get peptides online.

If you're getting a peptide online and it's coming as a powder and you have to reconstitute it with bat bacteria, static water, don't mess with that. Find like a reputable local compounding pharmacy. Because the FDA has for them to be an f FDA approved 5 0 3 A or 5 0 3 B pharmacy, compounding pharmacy, the FDA has to go in and be like, okay, this looks good.

But they recently went into a compounding pharmacy and there were rats in there. The rats had infiltrated into like where their sterile room was, where they're actually making the peptides. So 

Jake: what state was that in?

Allie:  I, I think it was in Texas. So, and we have big wraps. Everything's bigger, huge wraps. No.

Allie: Um, so just being mindful of that. That's why I tell people I'm like, it's probably best to go with, you know, something local that, you know, like if there was an issue, someone has been to that, like [00:20:00] I try and physically have seen the compounding pharmacies I use so that I'm not just saying like, oh, it's some warehouse in a room that they're making this stuff.

Jake: so when you say like, it, it might not be beneficial long term, right? Like a quick like. What, how, how, what does that timeframe look like? Is it a three month? Is it, 

Frank: yeah. Do I have to be on it the rest of my life? Or like a 

Jake: TRT? Right. 

Frank: You take it and then you're gone. Because we have a, we have a, maybe we are testosterone's here.

Now if I start to take it, is that like tell now while I have to take it forever? Is it my body gonna stop producing it naturally? Is that a rumor or

Allie: so if you, yeah, no, if so we'll talk about TRT if y'all want to test. So testosterone replacement, there's a million different forms. Um, but if you are giving exogenous meaning something your body's not producing and introducing it to your body and then your body's like, man, we got all the testosterone in the world we don't need to make anymore.

And it kind of shuts off the signal from your brain to your testes. We don't need to make it. You can actually check LH or luteinizing hormone is a marker. So I could tell like if y'all [00:21:00] were on TRT, your T levels, all right, they look great. But if I saw an LH of zero or really, really low, then I would've known, hey, they're actually on testosterone replacement.

Frank: Is  that what you asked us? Those question to see if we were liars? 

Allie: You guys, anything? Well, I, I already, I could tell, I could tell my friend didn't even believe me. I, one of my guy friends is obsessed with this stuff. He, I mean, a Rogan guy. The ways to, well, you know, that's where everyone, everyone seems to go.

Allie: Um, but he's like, no, those guys are definitely on TRT. There's, there's no way. I'm like, they're, Elliot was good. They're not to y'all. 

Jake: Ister, my two sons, I've never taken, well, 

Frank: obviously she can see it on our marker that we didn't Yeah. Eight 20 for your boy. I was seven. 

Allie: So if. If you start testosterone, the question is like, I've definitely started on people who wanna have kids, but it does suppress testicular function.

Allie: So there are some thoughts that you can add on peptides. Um, something like kisspeptin, olein, clomophine and clomophine, those types of things. There is a thought that it keeps [00:22:00] the signals kind of from your brain still going. I honestly haven't had super good luck with that. I'll typically put people on Kisspeptin while I'm starting TRT, just to hopefully help preserve some testicular function.

Allie: Um, but most men after stopping testosterone replacement, their sperm production comes back most of the time within six months. So I'm like, if you wanna have kids in six months, stop now. To me, it's kind of, it's kind of one of those things where I'm like, I wouldn't mess with it. I'm not a guy though. I'm so, 

Frank: I got a question for you quick.

Allie: Yeah. 

Frank: Jake and I have both put out boys. I have four boys. He's got two boys. That's it. Six, six. 

Jake: Wow. 

Frank: And it didn't take me many tries. I'm pretty too. Does that have anything to do with our high natural testosterone? 

Allie: You know, I don't think so. I think it has a lot to do with like, timing of ovulation, but also genetics.

Allie: I think there's some, I don't know, maybe you're like, I have so much testosterone to give that [00:23:00] 

Jake: maybe now 

Allie: tell yourself that it's your, it's your good. 

Jake: Yeah. I'm gonna tell myself, I'm gonna tell my wife, honey. 

Allie: Yeah. 

Jake: Um, in any event, and so we talk about TRT and I think that's a big, that's a big hot button for, for most men in, in, you know, our age range now.

Jake: Yeah. TRT, right. You said like you're kind of locked in. What is something that you would recommend? Like what's the most natural way to, to get that back? Is it diet, exercise, is it, 

Allie: yeah. 

Jake: You know what, what, what would you recommend? 'cause again, I'm, I'm anti, like, I'm, I'm not holistic, but I'm like anti, let's take Pills. 

Allie: Yeah, there's a, there's a time and a place. Yeah. I mean, again, too, like looking at blood work, it's good doing something like this to say like vitamin D is a prohormone and it helps make your testosterone, zinc helps. Um, and we'll get into the labs a a little bit more and kind of, I'll piece out important things to look for if you do get labs, but yeah, sleep, they did studies on like sleep deprivation.

Allie: I'm sure y'all seen that. Where you up, I don't even know what country it is. But yeah, they, they sleep deprived people for [00:24:00] like a week and then their testosterone levels dropped by like 20%. So that's probably the biggest thing I see is just sleep, sleep. Vitamin D nutrition, fish oils can be helpful. I mean there are certain supplementations we'll talk about that, that can be helpful with testosterone.

Allie: I in Clomophine or Clomophine seems to be really popular right now 'cause everyone's like, oh, it's a pill you can take to increase your testosterone and it's not gonna shut off. Um. Testicular function. But the only problem with that is it really, really aggressively lowers estrogen in men. And you need estrogen to keep your eyes and your brain healthy and also to keep you from getting visceral or belly fat.

Allie: So like that's why sometimes when you see guys who are like on steroids or TRT and they have like the big hard belly and the big muscles because they've gotten 

Jake: everything. 

Allie: They've taken stuff to drive their estrogen down so low that now they're getting more visceral fat. That's the deep fat surrounding your organs that just suffocates your organs and makes them not work.

Allie: So clomophine is fine temporarily. Like if you [00:25:00] really, really had low testosterone and you were a young guy who wanted to preserve T function, cool. I wouldn't do it more than more than a few months. 

Frank: Did we have her estrogen tested on this as well? Uh, 

Allie: yes. You did have estrogen tested. 

Frank: Where is that at? 

Allie: Um, they're kind of all big words outta order.

Frank: Instant disrespect, disrespect. I don't understand 'em. I'm just taking it. She's making fun of us. Um, I don't see, well tro 

Allie: we can go, I say we can, let's, 

Frank: let's dive into it. Let's go. Let do you do, do we go one at a time or do we, do you go together and just kind of go, go through 'em? 

Allie: Um, we can kind of go, I mean, however I wanna do it, I can kind of compare you side by side and we can make it a competition.

Frank: That's all we do in this office. Well, Jake's were pretty,

Allie: I figured 

Frank: Jake's were like really, really good. I don't know if I wanna make it a competition, but 

Allie: y'all all, y'all both had, y'all both had your stuff. I mean, overall great, great. Wonderful. I'm not gonna complain, but 

Frank: I don't want, we'll start, get to talk about either is you had a conference on cholesterol, so maybe once we get to cholesterol you can talk about 

Allie: We'll get to cholesterol.

Allie: Yeah, yeah. That'll be a good, that'll be a good [00:26:00] one to get into. So you're, I'll say normally when you go to the doctor, so people are gonna tell you, Hey, I'm gonna do a comprehensive panel. If you go to your PCP that takes insurance, you're gonna get A-C-B-C-C-M-P, maybe an A1C, maybe a lipid panel. It's not gonna go much deeper than that.

Allie: So. These went a lot deeper and I can kind of talk. Y'all went deep. No, went deep. Yeah. 

Frank: 12 vials, 

Allie: one. Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've done, yeah, a lot. Your Okay. C, B, C, this is the standard blood panel where we're looking for infection, anemia, um, size of your red blood cells. Looking at all kinds of white blood cells for the most part, y'all look good.

Allie: Um, Jake, you may see your rd w's low, that's your red blood cell distribution width. That just means you have uniform sized red blood cells. I would be more worried if that was a high number. So. We're good, we're good there. Your platelets were slightly low. A lot of times in certain blood draws, it can make your blood clump.

Allie: You may have talked to your doctor friend about this. I'm not super worried about a platelet of one 40. It's what helps clot your blood. A lot of times [00:27:00] it's, it could be a lab error. Um, if you were someone that you're like, I have liver disease. I have, you know, some immune disease, maybe that could mean something else.

Allie: But that number in and of itself would probably just recommend repeating it in three months and then if it still will, a dumb 

Jake: question. It's like, 

Allie: yeah, 

Jake: I got consistent like nosebleeds and stuff, which I never have. I never really, do you ever 

Frank: cut your finger? Does it take you a long time? 

Allie: Yeah. It 

Jake: clot up quick.

Jake: No, it doesn't. 

Allie: So yeah, you're, it does, does cloud up. Yeah, it does. Yeah. Le like less than a hundred. I'm like, Hmm, okay. If something's going on less than 50, if you bumped your head, you could bleed out less than 20. You're gonna spontaneously bleed so you're not even close. To any of that? I think it's probably just, I think it's probably just from the blood draw.

Jake: Fair 

Allie: enough. We'll keep, we'll keep an eye on it. Um, and then Frank, all good here. I do wanna point out one other thing. MCV is a really important marker. That's your mean pustular volume, just the size of your red blood cells. Um, when that starts getting close to 100, it [00:28:00] usually means one, you're drinking too much alcohol, you have a thyroid issue, or you are really deficient in B vitamins.

Allie: Um, so that's one thing that, that, that can kind of tell us there. But for the most part, C, B, C and most normal people pretty good. 

Frank: Mine was at 89. What was yours at? Oh, I'm 94. Okay. 

Allie: Yeah. Jake, you're a little, you're a little closer to 94, but I don't drink a whole, we'll talk about it. 

Frank: Yeah. 

Allie: It's usually more so I see it with like B vitamins.

Frank: Yeah. But maybe I need to 

Allie: take. Your CMP. So that's another really common thing that we check. It looks at kidney function, liver function, electrolytes, both of your blood sugar. So these were fasting blood draws, if you're gonna hear me, like blood sugar's a really important thing that I think men neglect.

Allie: Like women, I think were a little more conscious of it, but men really, really neglect blood sugar. Um, ideally your fasting blood sugar in the morning should be less than 80. So you can see yours are 93 and 91. That doesn't mean you have diabetes. That doesn't mean any major red flag for me just means, [00:29:00] hey, maybe we could have better glu, better blood sugar control.

Allie: Interesting thing about blood sugar is it's more than just what you are eating, right? Stress increases your blood sugar. Good stress or bad stress, right? Exercise increases your blood sugar. Poor sleep is a big one that increases blood sugar. Mm-hmm. Um, something to keep an eye on. We're gonna talk more about blood sugar though in a little bit.

Allie: Creatinine is another one. That's what we look at for kidney function. Y'all are almost creatinine twin. Sometimes guys who are super fit will get really, really high creatinine. That's not a bad thing. It just means you have more muscle mass and it's kind of one of like little women have low creatinine, big men have high creatinine.

Allie: I say that with a grain of salt because high creatinine could also mean your kidneys aren't working so 

Frank: higher. 

Allie: Something to trend, that's gotta be good. Yeah. So this creatinine sounds like creatine, right? Yeah. It kind of, people creatine got a bad rap for it affecting kidneys. If you had kidney disease and your kidneys didn't work and I gave you a bunch of creatine, [00:30:00] your kidneys would have a hard time processing it.

Allie: But if you were an average, normal person, five grams of creatine a day, you're gonna be fine. 

Frank: Why do I feel like I'll take creatine in my weight? Just my body weight and I don't Whatever you're holding onto it, it starts to go like I can ski. It does 

Allie: in 

my 

Frank: scale. 

Yeah. 

Frank: I jump on it. It's like I gained like five pounds pretty quick.

Allie: Yeah. Yeah, I didn't start, I never wanted to start creatine because of that reason. And like you're told in high school, like lifting weights, they're like, girls don't take creatine. And I felt like the first day I took it, I woke up and I'm like, my face is so puffy. But it's because you're increasing hydration to the muscle and that's how muscles grow.

Allie: So it's, it's not a bad thing. Like if you got on an InBody scale or a CICA scale and looked at your water composition, you would probably just be, have a little bit more water retention. But again, and I'm like, I'm an N of one. I do a lot of studies on myself, but I was consistent with creatine for seven weeks and got on.

Allie: We have a, a CICA machine, um, and I had ended up gaining four pounds of muscle and lost two pounds of fat. Again, n of one. But that was just me doing creatine for seven weeks without really [00:31:00] changing much else. 

Frank: Hmm. 

Allie: It is really just the water retention and the muscle. And that's why like I tell people like cycle on and off.

Allie: Right. If it's your wedding day, maybe you don't wanna be puffy, don't take it. 

Frank: Right, right. But do it seven weeks before. 'cause you can gain some. 

Allie: Yeah. And it's cheat has to be, that's 

Frank: a cheat. 

Allie: It's cheap supplement. Right. And it has to be, I think the studies, it has to be at least like six weeks, six to eight weeks for it to show benefit and being consistent with it every day.

Allie: It can't just be like, I took it once a week for six weeks. 

Frank: Right. Okay. 

Allie: Yeah. Um, okay. Feels kidneys look good. I wanna skip down most people. Sodium potassium's fine. I wanna skip to the liver. The a ST and a LT. Those are your liver numbers. Um, this is where I'm very passionate about it, especially in men. So I like these in the teens and twenties.

Allie: One of you was in the twenties, one of you was in the, the thirties. Um, 

Frank: is this the A LT? A l? 

Allie: TAS. TALT. Okay. Those are your liver. Liver markers. Okay. I'm, I'm super picky 'cause I [00:32:00] like these to be like teens, twenties. I say that because I'm sure you've heard of fatty liver, right? 

Frank: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

Allie: Mm-hmm. And that's a big thing in men.

Allie: Fatty liver is on the rise. It used to be. From alcohol. That really was like the main way you got fatty liver. But now there's something called non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, and that's just from our lifestyle and our diet. 

Frank: I have a dealer buddy who has this, who listens to our podcast. I'm not gonna say his name.

Frank: You better listen on this. 

Allie: Yeah, yeah. It's actually GLP one's helpful when fatty liver. So like those Olympics and the IDE actually really helpful in fatty liver. Um, but I'm passionate because from the time you put food in your mouth as like, I don't know, a teenager, your liver starts to become fatty.

Allie: Your liver can re regenerate itself. Right? That's the cool thing about the liver. It's like a starfish. Um. It can only do that so much. There's only so much insult to injury before it's like, Hey, we're scar tissue and our liver doesn't work anymore. So I started looking at that really, really early. Um, and I say that too, like a lot of [00:33:00] supplements, and you talked about this, supplements are good, but supplements either have to be processed through your liver or your kidneys.

Allie: And I've seen a lot of guys who are taking like random supplements and too many of one ingredient that they end up having a liver injury because their liver's so irritated from the supplements they're taking. So being really like aware of your liver numbers, um, there's something called glutathione, if y'all have heard of that.

Allie: It's like a master antioxidant, but it's really, really helpful at liver healing. And most people, if they have higher liver numbers, I'll tell them to do, um, like a glutathione IV push for a few weeks. But I'm not, I'm good with, I'm good with the 31 and the 32. 

Frank: Okay. 

Allie: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Frank: Mine's what? 28? 22?

Allie: Yeah. So those, those look good. And that'd be something that if I see them trending up, I'd probably get an ultrasound of the liver, just 'cause fatty liver's happening early and earlier in men. 

Frank: I bet it's good too to get this done, even it's a baseline, right? So now you have, it's 

Allie: a baseline. Exactly. It 

Frank: spikes, you know, something's probably wrong with you.

Frank: Right? 

Allie: Same, same with the creatinine, that kidney marker. So if [00:34:00] something ever happens with your kidneys, if that number's trending up, then we know, hey, it's, it's probably the kidneys or it's liver. 

Jake: About how, how often do you recommend someone get their labs done? Yeah, great question. 

Allie: Yeah, I, I think most like healthy men every six months.

Allie: If there's something we're trying to acutely target, if there's some issues with, you know, your, we're monitoring testosterone or you're monitoring cholesterol every three months. Uh, but for the most part, I think twice a year is pretty good. I mean, think about a lot of stuff can happen in a year and then you don't get blood work and then you're like, I don't know.

Jake: Yeah. Yeah. Like, I'm not gonna get my blood work after the boys trip up north. Yeah, 

Allie: yeah, yeah, yeah. I always tell people that too. I'm like, be mindful of what you're doing, like the week before you get your blood work. 'cause. It can, it can show up a little bit. 

Jake: Yeah. My best buddy, you know him, he had his annual physical the day after our four day men's up north golf trip.

Jake: They basically said he was dying. 

Frank: Yeah, I bet. 

Allie: Yeah. 

Jake: Come back in a week and we'll do this again. 

Allie: Oh yeah, yeah. I have that happen. He was 

Frank: running through his system. 

Jake: Yeah. All right. Back on track. Sorry. 

Allie: All right. That was your liver. Yeah. If you ever have any questions or that number's up, I [00:35:00] mean definitely push with your doctor to get an ultrasound of the liver.

Allie: It can tell you fatty liver and I'd rather know sooner than sooner than later for sure. Um, okay. Your lipid panel. So we made it to your lipid panel. All, all the questions. So I checked a standard lip lipid panel, that's your total cholesterol. Triglycerides, HDL, very low density lipoprotein and LDL. I also checked an A OB and an lp, little A on y'all.

Allie: Those are towards the end. Let's see. Yeah, so that's page four. Um. Jake, you have hit the, uh, genetic lottery. Your LP little A is super duper low. 

Jake: Hmm, sweet. 

Allie: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then Frank, yours is, you know, I'm, I'm good with yours. It could be, you know, if there's something where you're like, man, everyone in my family's had a heart attack, you could push for it to be below 30, but below 50.

Allie: I'm, I'm good with the LP. Little A. 

Jake: So that's interesting because both of my [00:36:00] grandfathers, um, passed from, from heart issues. 

Allie: Yeah. So I'll, I'll kind of try and make this, and there's an A OB. Let's talk about a OB real quick, and then I'll talk about how these all come together. So y'all's a OB. Jake, yours was 43.

Allie: Frank, yours was 92. Yeah. I like to see this less than 80. Okay. But we'll talk about kind of how it all fits together. So, 

Frank: go ahead. I did have blood work done, like. Six months ago, six months prior to this one. 

Allie: Mm-hmm. 

Frank: Uh, the A, the April Epi Putin B was uh, I think like 85. Okay. Um, so, and it did go, you know, I got, like I said, I was now in November, December, yeah.

Frank: In the last few months. Yeah. Before drinking every once in a while. Um, the a, the A one I think was about the same polyprotein, little a. 

Allie: Mm-hmm. 

Frank: So that 

Allie: one is, 

Frank: my cholesterol was a little lower. It was like 2 0 5. And my LDLs are like one 13. So they, they've definitely gone up in those decem, you know, I had this test done mid-December, but yeah.

Allie: Okay. I mean, it makes sense. So I [00:37:00] always give the talk. 'cause you're right, there's so much confusion about cholesterol. We talked about this earlier, that there's just so much stuff about it to where even as a provider, it's like confusing to me. I'm like, I, I don't know y'all. I, I too much. Um, but I always tell people I'm not the cholesterol police.

Allie: We all have cholesterol. It's good. It makes our hormones, our brain, 20% of our brain, right, or 20% cholesterol is utilized in our brain. Like we, we need cholesterol. But to what extent, what is your body doing with the cholesterol? That's what I always ask people. So looking at Y's cholesterol panel, you know it, this looks fine.

Allie: You're right, you're frank. Your LDL did go up a little bit. You know, if you had, like you said, a, a really strong family history, a personal history, we'd be super, super aggressive. Probably trying to target that LDL more. But what's even more important, um, is looking at that a OB. So all of your atherogenic.

Allie: Cholesterol molecules have an a OB on it. So a OB is looking at like a summary of all the bad, bad [00:38:00] cholesterol in your body. So a OB is like really when you're looking for risk factors and markers for cardiovascular disease, A OB is what we're looking at. Um, LP little A, that's your inherited genetic risk.

Allie: So there's not much that can change LP little a, there is a drug called Repatha, it's a PCSK nine inhibitor. If you are someone who Yeah, yeah, right. I know, I don't, I dunno, short, I'm pretty sure I said that wrong. Um, but if you're someone who's family, like strong family history and you're like, man, I'm, I've had a heart attack, I've had a stroke, or everyone in my family has had a heart attack and a stroke and my LP little A is really, really high.

Allie: That drug is really, really effective, um, at helping. Or helping lower that A OB and to an extent LP little A, there are more drugs that are being researched for LP little A, but for the most part, there's not a lot you can do for your LP little A that's 90% genetic. Your A OB. We can do a lot with it. Um, but I always say I look at inflammation because [00:39:00] think about cholesterols traveling through your bloodstream.

Allie: If you have an injury to the blood vessel, whether it be from high blood sugar, inflammation, high blood pressure, you get kind of these sheer forces on your blood vessel wall and that cholesterol will start to stick to the wall. And that's what over time builds up plaque and can cause a heart attack. So think about like a smooth pipe versus a velvety pipe, right?

Allie: The velvet's gonna get lots of stuff stuck in it. So, and they did a lot of studies on people with normal cholesterol and high inflammation, and people who had high cholesterol, low inflammation. The people who had normal cholesterol and high inflammation had. Cardiovascular outcomes than people with low inflammation.

Frank: What would you say? I have based on mine? Do I have, because I'll tell you this, I didn't bring this up to you, is based on Peter Atias book. They also mm-hmm. Suggested that you do a CT calcium scan. 

Allie: Yes. 

Frank: On my heart. So I did that. It was zero, a hundred, 150 buck, $150. And my [00:40:00] last blood work was better than this one.

Frank: Even a little bit lower uhhuh. So I had nothing in like the high range. Right. I think it was like 2 0 3 or whatever is my total cholesterol. Yeah. But then I do the CT scan and I'm thinking, I'm, I've never had any issue pop up. Nah, nah, nah, nah. I look at my deal and it pops up with a 21 in my right coronary artery.

Allie: Whoa. 

Frank: Exactly. So I went and saw a cardiologist in November. Um, he basically was like, Hey. I wouldn't worry about any of this. Now you have a baseline. This score is out of 5,000 or 500, you know, whatever it is, A large number, very minor. You're probably gonna hurt yourself more now with the stress of knowing you have something.

Allie: Yeah. 

Frank: You know, whatever. But he suggested a statin. I, I have it in my cabinet. I have yet to take it. Okay. And it's been a month and a half because I would like to just naturally bring my cholesterol. Yeah. Whatever it is. But now do I wanna bring my cholesterol? Do I read different studies of. Cholesterol, you know, high cholesterol is good.

Frank: So what is your take on? Yeah, I have this situation. What would, how would [00:41:00] you, 

Allie: so I, I'll say I, like, I went through a phase. I'm like, okay, I gave tons of statins in the hospital. Then I went through a phase and I was like, statins are the devil. Like, I'm done with the statin. And now I'm kind of coming back to like, there's a time and a place, right?

Allie: Like, if there's a need, there's a need. But you're right, there's so many other things that affect cholesterol more than that. I, I do wanna say, and I don't wanna forget this point, so calcium score is great. It only looks for the hard plaque in your arteries. So most people have a low score, like my dad did his, and he had a score of two, right?

Allie: No big deal. Um, but there's something called a clearly scan. It is, unfortunately you pay out of pocket for it, anywhere from like 800 to 1200 bucks. But what it tells you is hard plaque and soft plaque. So hard plaque is the plaque that builds over time. Soft plaque is the plaque that like in a young person, it breaks off, it ruptures, it travels to distal artery and blocks your heart and gives you a heart attack.

Allie: Um. I would do like if your doctor's like, Hey, do a calcium score. You're right. It's a great baseline, but if, if you have the money or just the passion, go and get a clearly scan, [00:42:00] um, because it'll tell you hard and soft plaque and it actually gives you like a 3D image of your heart and it takes your vessels and straighten your vessels out and shows exactly where there's plaque built up.

Allie: So then that's even, that's something even deeper you can do to where it's not just like, oh, I have a cal, a low calcium score, peace of mind kind of thing. What's 

Jake: that called again? Clearly? 

Allie: Clearly C-L-E-E-R-L-Y, so clearly spelled with two E's. Okay. But that was, that was my spiel on that. But for your cholesterol, and you're right, like is there genetic components?

Allie: Yes. Could it have been inflammation? I mean, honestly over exercising, that's inflammation. Um, is all that kind of contributing to it? The statin thing, so part of that conference I went to is they broke down pretty much every medication you could prescribe for cholesterol and every supplement you could prescribe for cholesterol, um, or give for, for cholesterol.

Allie: And kind of talking about what's beneficial, what's not beneficial. There is a supplement called Cardio Lipid. Um, it's by biotics, but it has berberine, red [00:43:00] yeast, rice, um, I think garlic, but it's almost just almost as effective as a statin, if not more effective. Um, and statins, right? That whole, the issue with statins is a lot of people can't tolerate it.

Allie: 'cause you get muscle aches. And then there's the thought that, hey, if we lower our cholesterol too much, we'll lower our testosterone. Right? 'cause testosterone's made from cholesterol. I mean, really, like there's not issues unless you're driving your LDL super low, like less than 40. Um, truly with, with the cholesterol, but I'm still not gonna say start with a statin.

Allie: There's so many other places to start. Um, another thing I wanna point out too is I got really sick from mold. I was, I bought a house, I got really sick for mold. My LDL went to 180. 

Frank: Wow. 

Allie: My LDL jumped insanely high. And anyone, I'm like, what? Like, this doesn't make any sense. Like, I, I don't drink. I, I don't know how I could be healthier.

Allie: So toxins is a big thing. Heavy metals, mercury, lead, mold, environmental [00:44:00] toxins that can, that can make your cholesterol go up too. So to me, again, it's root cause is like, why is your cholesterol high? Are you really just eating blocks of cheese? I mean, 

Frank: well, that's another thing too is my diet did swap. I, I would say my body reacts better to red meats.

Frank: Yeah. Bacon, sausage, hamburger. Um, I don't eat a lot of bread. I don't eat a lot of sugar, you know, again, November, December is a fruit for all. 

Allie: Yeah. 

Frank: But I, my and I, I notice it like when I, as soon as I eat some type of, uh, grain or something, I get a stuffy nose. Um, my bo and I've done like, uh, food reactive.

Allie: You've done food sensitivity? Yeah. 

Frank: Yes. Food sensitivity test. And everything for me was like red meat. I don't like fish, but like fish was really good for me. Chicken wasn't great for me. Um, but like beef was like amazing venison. Um, so that's where my diet is based. I would say majority around. Right. 

Allie: The, and, and that's happens a lot with, and I've had people who like their LDL drop super low [00:45:00] being more like plant forward.

Allie: Some people that doesn't change it at all. Like Right. Everyone's different. But I, I do say like, we miss fiber. We do not have enough fiber. And that's too another reason why like colon cancers are on the rise. Like meat's great and all, but there's something called age a GE. Um, and it's pretty much end, end product anyway.

Allie: It's a big word. We're not gonna, I'm not gonna fog y'all down with it small, but it's just saying whenever you like burn bacon. Or whenever you overcook meat and you consume it, they'll check your inflammatory markers before and inflammation is through the roof. After you have like some kind of smoked meat.

Allie: Barbecued meat, I'm not against it, but when you pair it with something like avocado or fiber, those inflammatory markers come down a lot. 

Frank: That's everything I eat is with an avocado, like burger, avocado, eggs, avocado. Yeah. Like that's kind of like my healthy fat and I love it. It tastes good. 

Allie: Yeah. 

Frank: I also don't like a bun, like if I eat a burger, I really don't like the taste of a bun and a burger that it takes away.

Frank: It's just [00:46:00] something to hold. If I could put a lettuce thing on both sides or a fork. Perfect. I like that better anyway. Um, now you said, and I just wanna make sure I, I heard this right. 

Allie: Yep. 

Frank: If you overcook it, it throws your inflammation or through the roof. Yeah. So if I overcook bacon, it's too crispy. Not as good as when you kind of leave it a little limp.

Allie: Yeah, same. 

Frank: Anyone making their mistakes? Medium, medium, medium. Very 

Allie: LI love, but I just, yeah, I just want the char on the outsides. I like the cru on the, it's char on the outside. That's the problem. I, that's why 

Frank: you 

Allie: get the, I like the crust on the outside. 

Frank: Gotta have the crust. 

Jake: All right. 

Allie: But we we're all in a agreements, yeah, yeah.

Allie: Gotta have the crust, but we're gonna add in something anti, anti-inflammatory like berries, olive oil, you know, some nuts, avocado, all of that to kind of help lower the inflammation. But again, I make that point of like, man, we have really meat for diet. I have a very meat for diet. I grew up on a ranch, like we love meat, but fiber's a really, really like missing thing in all of our diet.

Allie: So it's a good 

Frank: way to get fiber right now. Is it like salad? Is it fruit vegetables? Like what is it? 

Allie: Honestly, we should probably get [00:47:00] 30 grams of fiber through our diet. And like I, I've, I've tried, I'm not really great at it. I do supplement with, with fiber powders. I mean, they're not ideal, but it gives me like that extra 16 

Frank: or something 

Allie: like the a g one is not, no like a.

Allie: Like a thick, nasty, gelatinous fiber or they make soluble fibers. Um, there's lots of different ones with like sun powder or something, but fiber's kind of another missing link. And fiber kind of helps bind to your cholesterol and it can help improve cholesterol actually. Ooh. So, and it can combine to toxins, but yeah, that's another kind of thing is if you have really, really high cholesterol and you live a pretty healthy life, maybe start going down like, should I do some heavy metal testing or mold testing and see if that could be contributing?

Frank: Could be genetic for me too. My dad's Yeah. Kind of always had that a little bit. Um, blood pressure's always been, I've like people out get it. Like I'm always been like that higher end, like 1 25. Mm-hmm. Over 78, you know, like that. 

Allie: Yeah. 

Frank: Um, now. Do you think, based on what I you're seeing here, do I need to get my [00:48:00] cholesterol below 200?

Frank: Is that a huge thing for me right now? I need to get my total cholesterol below 200. I'm 

Allie: not so worried about that as I am about the A OBB. Yeah, a OB. Getting that under 80. 

Frank: Under 80 is my new 

Allie: goal because that's really the one that we're like looking at to see, yes, we know the cardiovascular risk.

Allie: There's something called a Cleveland Heart Panel where there's some other labs like it that actually look at the particle size of the LDL. 'cause LDL is just like, it's whatever, but you can have a large LDL that aren't as problematic, or you can have these little tiny LDL that are sticking to the blood vessel.

Allie: So if you are someone that's like, I mean probably in your case, I would go do that Cleveland Heart panel and it breaks down cholesterol even more and tells us like, man, do we need to be really worried? That VLDL that's on here though. Yeah, that very low density lipoprotein, that would be the one that would be more worrisome.

Allie: And that looks pretty good. That looks good. 

Frank: Yeah. Mine's a 10. Okay. 

Allie: So I wouldn't, well, should you go statin route? I, I probably wouldn't yet. I would probably try that supplement that cardio lipid and then maybe some [00:49:00] fiber and then fish oil two grams. 

Frank: Okay. I'll look at that. I love that. I, this is a podcast that I can look back through.

Frank: I don't have to take notes. Um, it, it is funny too, when my cardiologist did prescribe it, he goes, Frank, it, I wouldn't, you don't necessarily need this. He's like, if you're a purist, it's, you know, it seems like you're into fitness. If you really want it lower, here's a statin prescription. It wasn't like, Hey, you need to take this.

Frank: He wasn't really pushing it. Yeah. It was kind of like he left it up to me like, if you really want to get this below 200 or your LDL lower to a hundred, whatever it was, here you go. But yeah. 

Allie: Yeah. 

Frank: Fucked. 

Allie: And, and again, I'm like, I'm not the cholesterol police. Like, don't be inflamed. Do exercise, make sure your heart's healthy.

Allie: I mean, there's so many other things that tie into it, but Peter Atia will scare you, I think if you listen to him. Yeah. You're like, oh, I'm, I'm gonna die. Did can't. It stresses me out. 

Frank: But his whole deal was being preventive. Right? Mm-hmm. That's Medicine 3.0 for him is getting ahead of things. Yeah. If I didn't read his book, I wouldn't have got a CT scan.

Frank: I wouldn't know. I had a 21 in my right. Coronary [00:50:00] artery and I wouldn't be thinking about this stuff. But that's, yeah. The point of his methods is don't wait till I have a heart attack. Yeah. Or a stroke. 

Allie: Yeah. 

Frank: You know, like, let's try to get ahead of this stuff. And that's what we're trying to do with all of what we're talking about today.

Frank: Literally what we're doing. 

Allie: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. We'll keep, we'll keep moving. So we checked your B12 and your folate. Uh, I'll say take this with a grain of salt. So I, I recommend people do a micronutrient test. It's probably about the same amount of blood y'all did. Um, but it looks at all your B vitamins, all your vitamin D, it looks at omega acids, so your Omega-3, omega six, it looks at your amino acids.

Allie: But the whole point of why that's more important is so like when we just check your blood, this is just what you've consumed in the last. Say 72 hours when we check the cellular level, your red blood cells live 120 days. White blood cells live like six to eight weeks. So if you check cellular levels of stuff, which that micronutrient test does, it gives you a way better picture of how you're doing.

Allie: Just me looking here at both your B12, [00:51:00] that that looks okay. I like it. Closer to a thousand. Um, and then your folate. This is one I'm really, really passionate about. I needed at least 12. Um, folate we get from leafy greens, so it's not a surprise that we're 

Frank: 10.9, 8.6. 

Allie: It's not a surprise that, uh, I 

Frank: do like salad.

Allie: That's an a lot of salad. I like salad, but it's, it's like the, like, you'd probably have to have like two cups of spinach, like nasty, leafy green, Swiss chard, that kind of stuff. 

Frank: But I do like, like if I eat salad, like I like spinach, like that's like my go-to. 

Allie: Yeah. 

Frank: I like the more green or I don't like ice burger as much as I like.

Frank: Yeah, the greenness stuff. 

Allie: Good for you. I don't, I don't like salads, but folate's important. 'cause there's a marker called homocysteine and Jake will look at yours is a little on the higher end. So homocysteine is another marker for inflammation. It's what makes your cholesterol more sticky, predisposes you to stroke, et cetera.

Allie: If you, there's a, I mean, a big thing right now is M-T-H-F-R. If, if you've heard of that, it's the genetic mutation that makes it, essentially, it's hard for your body to [00:52:00] use B vitamins, especially folate and put it in a usable form for your body. Uh, so I usually, I can't say this as like a blanket statement, but for most people, if you're gonna do a B vitamin, I would do a methylated B vitamin, which I'm sure you've all heard on every mm-hmm.

Allie: Podcast. But the methylated B vitamin, um, for both of you, probably most multivitamins, they're great, but they usually don't have enough. Right. Um, they have a little bit of everything, but not enough of, of everything. 

Frank: Mm-hmm. 

Allie: You okay? We're gonna move into the testosterone now, so. Total testosterone. I mean, it looks pretty good.

Allie: Honestly, most people that were coming in all the age that I was seeing in clinic, I mean, I saw it as low as like two 50, but like most average is like 500, 600. And even that, it was like, it's pretty good. Um, there is total testosterone. That's like what you have stored away in the bank, right? So that's what you have tucked away.

Allie: Free testosterone, that number below it, that's what's in your back pocket, ready for you to use day to day. [00:53:00] So while your's, total testosterone looks good, your free testosterone, what you have available on a day-to-day basis is not optimal. Um, and it is affected by something. Called SHBG or sex hormone binding globulin, or sex hormone binding protein, something that's made by your liver.

Allie: And it'll bind up your testosterone so that it leaves what's circulating to be low. Y'all's is on the higher end. Healthy people typically have higher and leaner people typically have higher SHBG. Um, it just means, hey, we have to figure out how to compensate for that high SHBG to get more free testosterone available.

Allie: So again, women, if women are listening, that's why they say birth control lowers your testosterone because it increases your SHBG birth control does, and then it leaves your free testosterone to be like zero. And women, um, we'll talk supplementation now for testosterone. So fish big one. Magnesium. Big one.

Allie: For me, it's kind of my non-negotiable with, everyone needs [00:54:00] magnesium. I love magnesium. 

Frank: Before you go to bed, the dreams you have after it's the best taking magnesium is like unreal. It's like, all right, I'm going on Quest. Here we go. You take magnesium and go to sleep. I want get Quest, 

Allie: magnesium, and Magnesium three eight is a good one that crosses a blood-brain barrier and can help you with mental focus.

Allie: So I like glycinate before bed and then I'll take three and eight in the daytime. For mental focus also helps if we have a family history of dementia. Um, the magnesium, zinc, vitamin D, we'll look y'all's vitamin D. But this is where I'm sure y'all have heard of toca Ali, maybe. I feel like that's one that's, that's popular right now.

Allie: So there's some studies that theoretically it could increase testosterone. Um, OG is one that is really good at lowering SHBG, so it increases free testosterone, but those, uh. 

Frank: Why? So the HBG mine's high. 

Allie: Yeah. Yeah. 

Frank: And my, my free testosterone is like 15 so that, so because the sh BG is high, that's why my free testosterone, free testosterone [00:55:00] is a little lower.

Allie: Yeah. 

Frank: And we want the free testosterone higher, so it's not so good to have a sex hormone binding glo. 

Allie: Yeah. Yeah. There's, there's some correlation with a high SHPG being like a, a sign of of health to an extent. Um, in y'all's case it probably is that you're active and, and lean. But now we have to say, well, how are we gonna overcome a high SHPG?

Allie: That's the zinc. That's the magnesium. The Sheila Jett's really good. But those are ones that like, and we, we'll talk supplements. If you're gonna, if you're going to get supplementation, make sure they're third party tested. 'cause a lot of supplements have heavy metals. They don't contain the amount of ingredients they have.

Allie: And then people start taking these supplements and that's when their liver numbers will, will get jacked up. 

Jake: Right. 

Allie: Um. We're gonna get, I'll get more into the testosterone lecture in a, in a little bit. We'll, we'll keep rolling through. So all in all, y'all look pretty good, but sleep is gonna be for me, like sleep, basic nutrition, not raw.

Allie: Dogging a white monster in the morning 

Frank: because we have our friend Glen Lundy is like four hour guy. Yeah. [00:56:00] But, and I, what's your take? Seven hours, eight hours? Like what's the magic one? 

Allie: So yeah, seven to nine. There's actually studies showing above nine hours is actually not good, but it's, it's not so much how long you're sleeping, but it's a quality of sleep.

Allie: Right. So like, maybe your friend's sleeping four hours, but he's getting two hours of rim and two hours of deep sleep. I doubt it, but maybe he's really efficient at sleeping to where he doesn't have to sleep as long. And then someone could be there for eight hours and they could get 30 minutes of rim and 30 minutes of deep sleep.

Frank: I've been, 

you 

Jake: probably had it tested. 

Frank: I've been monitoring my sleep now for the last year. Yeah. Not this last year. Yeah. When I drink alcohol, my sleep co score plummets and I notice I sweat. I am kind of in and outta sleep all night. My deep sleep's gr bed. Uh, if I eat very close to bed, don't sleep as well.

Frank: Um, but yeah, I think a lot of what you're doing throughout the day is gonna dictate then your quality of sleep, not just the amount of sleep you, you get. Yeah. So it kind of, your diet goes hand in head with that as well, right? 

Allie: Yeah. And too, because those people are like, well, I don't understand. I sleep every night.

Allie: But then, [00:57:00] and then it too immense. Sleep apnea is a big deal. Sleep apnea is not just snoring. If you're snoring, that's, that's a red flag for sleep apnea. 'cause that, that can affect your heart health. Um, that can make you more prone to, uh, risk and bl or stroke and blood clot because it thickens your blood, um, to try and get more oxygen through your body.

Allie: So sleep apnea for men, that's like a, a big thing to look out for and that's why it's helpful to track sleep, to see, you know, am I having wake ups? Am I having low oxygen at night? 

Frank: So. 

Allie: Yep. Um, okay. Your thyroid. So most men's thyroid is like pretty good, right? Um, women, that's kind of where women have more of an issue.

Allie: Franco was gonna ask you, so you said you were doing a 36 hour fast. 

Frank: So I got 2 72, I got to 48 hours. I ate last night. Okay. I was attempting to do, uh, and again, I started thinking of the same thing, like I got to the end of yesterday, then I started stre. I wasn't really that hungry. I started getting really cold.

Frank: Um mm-hmm. But I was like kind of bored [00:58:00] and I felt like, uh, you know, I was working from home. I'm like, and then I started stressing out about food. Then I worked out those last two days. So I was like, I need, I need the protein. Like, in my head I'm like, I need the protein to grow. Did I just waste my last two workouts?

Frank: So I crushed like six eggs in an avocado and that was what I ate yesterday. So, yeah. Yeah. 

Allie: So you asked, so like I said, most van thyroid's pretty good, but thyroid is, is kind of your master hormone. It regulates every, pretty much every organ in your body has a thyroid receptor. Um, ideally free T three, that's your active form of thyroid.

Allie: I like that to be at least three. So Jacob, Jake, you're there, Frank, you're almost there. I was gonna say people who fast, you will see a dip in T three, um, if you're coming off of fast within the last few weeks. So T three is again, that active form of thyroid. We need to keep our metabolism to keep our brain.

Allie: Um, it's really helpful with heart health. So 

Frank: that makes sense. 'cause Jake too is one of those guys. I feel like he's always got like [00:59:00] every two hours, you've got like a healthy meal in front of you. 

Jake: Well, so I'm always, yeah, I'm always eating. But that brings me to a point, like, shout out to my good buddy Nick Smith.

Jake: I know he listens to this talking about, uh, autophagy. Right? So like a 77 hour fast. Like is there actual signs behind that? Because. Come Thursday, like he's holding me accountable. I'm holding him accountable. We're gonna, you know, Thursday at noon is our last meal till Sunday at noon, right? Yeah. We're gonna try and see what happens.

Jake: Is there anything, and yeah, I'm kind of like you. I'm a Guinea pig. I want to. I don't know. I don't know whether it's good or bad, but we're gonna find out. 

Allie: Yeah. 

Jake: What is your kind 

Allie: of take 

Jake: on that? 

Allie: Personally, I try and do a dinner and a dinner a 24 hour fast once a month. Women, again, it's a little trickier 'cause hormones, so I'm not gonna say like, women don't go out there willy-nilly and fast.

Allie: That's, that's probably not good. Mm-hmm. Um, men, a lot of the studies, I mean at least has to be that like 24 hour mark, but again, if you're not sleeping, you're not healthy. Otherwise, now we're just adding, you know, hormesis is like our body's response to stress now we've just added stress on, and if you're already have stress adrenal, then you're living a crappy life.

Allie: Have fun with your 24 [01:00:00] hour, 36 hour fast. It's probably not gonna do that much for you. If you're someone that you do have high blood sugar or high cholesterol or insulin resistance, yes, fast are really, really good. The autophagy, the die off of the cells. Again, a lot of most of these studies are rat studies, right.

Allie: So yeah, they, there is some evidence for it. It's not gonna hurt anything. Would I fast often? No. Could you do this once a month? Yes. Would I do it more than once a month? No. 'cause then your T three, your thyroid will take a hit. It stresses out your adrenals a little bit. Um, but it is helpful for, you know, kind of.

Allie: Especially brain health too, um, with focus and, and inflammation, lowering inflammation. So I'm not against it. It's just being careful. What amount of careful would 

Frank: you suggest? What amount of time would you suggest? 

Allie: I think I, I think a lot of studies say like at least 24 hours. I, I probably wouldn't go more than 48.

Allie: Like people who do that week long, I'm like, that's just a miserable week. Like, 

Frank: yeah. 

Allie: And have fun. 

Jake: No, 

Frank: perfect. I did it right then. 

Jake: Well, it's like seven. The, the, the one that he, it's planned is [01:01:00] 72. 

Frank: Yeah, 

Jake: he's done it once. And I mean, he, he planned it all out, like with how you, you built up to it and then breaking it slowly with, you know, bone broth, stuff like that.

Jake: Mm-hmm. Not just like going out 

Allie: and Yeah. Being mindful of what you're breaking the fast with. Then there's two, there's like the fasting mimicking diet, the pro, like something like ProLon. Um, those can be good. Like if you're somebody who's listening and like, man, I have heart disease. I'm pre-diabetic. Do one of the, do that ProLon, that fasting mimicking diet for, do it for five days, once a month for three months.

Allie: Um, and they did a lot of studies on like looking at monkeys and looking at rats and they either gave them a 12.5% caloric restriction plus an increase in energy expenditure from exercise by 12.5%. And the difference of like the way the mouse looks and the monkey looks like they're night and day different.

Allie: So there's a lot of thought to caloric restriction too, um, with, you know, in addition to fasting. 

Jake: Love it really quick, and, and I know, um, we're getting the, uh, yeah, the time from, from [01:02:00] producer, um, from producer least keep going. So are there anything else like that? I know we, I mean we could probably go another hour with, with how much stuff we had done.

Jake: Is there anything very specific that 

Allie: Yeah. 

Jake: You want to go over? And then of course I want to finish off with like, you know, what is the best practice overall for, you know, male female? The 25 to 50 ish range that we're kind of talking to right now. 

Frank: Cortisol's gotta be one too, I would 

Jake: think. Yeah. 

Allie: Yeah. So for, for y'all, I wanna point out D-H-E-A-D-H-E-A is a is made by your adrenal glands.

Allie: It's a precursor to make your hormones. 

Jake: Okay. 

Allie: I, it's something that declines with age. I would expect y'all to DHEA probably to be closer to 300 mm. Um, your brain has receptors for DHEA replacing DHEA. Yeah. Could the theoretically help with testosterone production? I'll probably take some DHEA if I was y'all.

Allie: We'll probably I'll give y'all a list of supplements. A lot of brains 

Frank: why our brains aren't 

Allie: functioning. That's what's wrong with you'all. Yeah. Yeah. Kinda 

Frank: a lot. 

Allie: That's another one mins [01:03:00] to look out for. Yeah. Your, your CTE, your cortisol. Um, cortisol's a big one. So this is just a snapshot in time. Like is it super high?

Allie: Is it super low? For the most part, I'm not worried about y'all's. If it was like high twenties or if it was like 5, 6, 7, 8 in the morning, it would trigger me to think, okay, there might be a problem. Um, I like it. Teens, 12 to teens, um, for a morning cortisol. Cortisol should be highest when you wake up, falls off in the afternoon, rises again while you sleep between three and 4:00 AM So cortisol's a big one to look at.

Allie: If you want to know more about your cortisol, there's something called a Dutch test or a hormone zoomer from vibrant. You pee in a test tube and spit in a cup four times a day, just for a day, and it'll check your total cortisol and see are you producing too much cortisol or your adrenal's tired and you're not producing enough.

Allie: But you're right, cortisol's a big one. That's why sleep impacts testosterone production so much. Um, let's see, your vitamin D, you both need more vitamin D. [01:04:00] Yeah, so we 

Jake: live in 

Allie: Michigan, ideally. Yeah, it's true. And we just sit, we just sit inside all day. So 

Jake: yeah. 

Allie: Most people need to supplement vitamin D unless you could stand outside naked at lunchtime for an hour every day.

Allie: But we can't. You could. Maybe you could. Um, I vitamin D like at least 80 

Frank: there. I heard something. I don't know. You perennial 

Allie: sunny sit outside on your butt. 

Frank: Your butt and your, and your nuts. Yeah. 

Allie: Yeah. 

Frank: Is that a thing? 

Allie: I mean, I don't know that again, if you could do it to try that. Yeah. Do a do a little study.

Allie: Come back. Yeah. See most people vitamin D, you need it for testosterone production, you need it for energy. Vitamin D's like honestly my favorite A level at least 60, even better of 80. Most people can safely take vitamin D, 5,000 IUs. But you have to take it with food 'cause it's fast soluble. But yeah, you both need vitamin D.

Allie: Most multivitamins don't have enough. 

Jake: And then magnesium 

Allie: you 

Jake: brought up earlier too. [01:05:00] 

Allie: Yeah. Magne Magnesium. And then I wanted to point out CRP. So Jake, your CRP, this is an inflammatory marker, was a little elevated. Okay. Um, 1.1 I'm not panicked about. It's like when we start getting above three, that's when it's trying to send some red flags off for me.

Allie: Less than one's normal. You're just slightly elevated. It could be if you were sick recently, um, if you had an injury, if you had 

Jake: twoish children. So yeah. Yeah, he's 

Allie: got two little babies. 

Jake: You all kinds of 

Allie: germs, food sensitivity, all that kind of stuff. But that's another one to look at. Going back to the cholesterol, if you have a high CRP and high cholesterol, that's like, that's, that's gonna cause some trouble for cardiovascular disease.

Allie: Um, turmeric is really good. Anti-inflammatory, you know, cur, curcumin, turmeric, that's a good one. I love turmeric. Um, and then if it stays persistently elevated, investigate like is there food sensitivity with what's going on? Magnesium. We looked at insulin, we looked at, so insulin is a, I'll make this as quick as I can.

Allie: So A1C is what we'd normally check to [01:06:00] see if you have diabetes, your doctor's like you don't have diabetes, move on. You're fine. Fasting insulin is a better look at to see your long-term risk of diabetes. Is your pancreas having to produce more insulin to keep up with blood sugar? I'm extra picky. I like this less than six.

Allie: So Frank, yours is 6.4. I'm not gonna panic about it above 10. Again, that's kind of where my panic is. Um, but I recommend most people just once in their life, try a continuous glucose monitor. Like the little thing on the back of your arm is the craziest thing you'll ever do. 'cause there's a lot of stuff you're like, man, I'm so healthy.

Allie: This was such a healthy snack. And then boom did, then boom jack up for a 

Frank: period of time. 

Allie: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought lingos lingo, iss my favorite. Um, but yeah, just 'cause it, it tells you way more. Then that A1C tells you. 

Frank: Yep. 

Allie: And then ferritin always checked ferritin. It's a reflection of iron stores, but a lot of guys with a lot of inflammation or alcohol use, ferritin will start to get really high and iron can start to deposit in your organs.

Allie: So y'all, ferritin [01:07:00] looks good. 

Jake: Love it. Interesting. 

Allie: Yeah. Well, okay. This 

Frank: was 

Jake: the 

Frank: most 

Jake: eyeopening. 

Frank: Yeah, I loved this. This was, I needed this in my life. This could be another 

Jake: hour. Uh, easily. 

Frank: Well, allali, I might be, I might be calling you. This could go another hour. It's not on the air. 

Allie: I'm gonna have question.

Allie: Yeah, no, I'll send you, I'll send you a little email. But I, I think like, to summarize, if I had to say what most men could safely take, if they're like, dude, I'm not gonna go donate nine vials of blood, I'm just not gonna do it. Magnesium. Yeah. Like. 200 to 500 milligrams at night. I like glycinate for sleep.

Allie: Um, three and eight if you need mental focus. Malates good for muscles. A vitamin D with K 5,000 daily. A fish oil, a good quality fish oil is the key I like. Um, a brand microbiome labs, um, Megan Marine, drop 

Jake: the link below. Mm-hmm. 

Allie: Yeah. Wanted grams per day. And then, um, what else? A methylated B vitamin. Most people, you can take that pretty safely.

Allie: Most guys, I'm gonna say you probably need a fiber powder, even if you're like, well my bowels are good. Um, fiber [01:08:00] powder, they like, there's probably some other, other stuff I'm missing. But those are pretty much like, those are like my main non-negotiables that I have that like most people need. I've checked blood work all the time and those are all needs that people have.

Allie: So 

Frank: we could throw a cheat sheet in this right here. Come up on the park and my Amazon 

Allie: card's 

Jake: about to have some 

Frank: stuff. Amazon. Exactly. 

Allie: Yeah. I do have an Amazon storefront, so, uh oh. Oh, 

Frank: here we go. Look 

Jake: at that. 

Frank: And then I also too, I want to try to, I wanna talk to you about getting some, I wanna try some peptides.

Frank: I mean. I want to take it to another level. Yeah, you can be 

Jake: my lab rat buddy. 

Frank: I'll try it first. Yeah. I've never done anything more than CI swear, but I kind of want try it. You're out of the 

Jake: league. You can do whatever you want. 

Frank: I wanna try it. I wanna try it. Is it legal for players to do peptides? 

Allie: There are some that are on a band list.

Allie: Um, I dunno exactly. I'm pretty sure. So, BPC is my favorite. We even talk about that body protective compound. That one is like, if you're dealing with rotator cuff or like bicep tendonitis, it's an injection. A daily injection with like a tiny, tiny needle in the site of injury, like into the fat. It works wonders for [01:09:00] people to injuries.

Allie: Um, 

Frank: I want just 

Allie: right in the 

Frank: middle of the bicep, how do I grow 

Allie: that? Yeah. You you could Yeah. Just yeah. Grow it. No, I wanna grow that. What peptide is 

Frank: gonna just allow that to get bigger? 

Allie: We'll work on that. Okay. I'm working on that one. Yeah. 

Jake: Awesome. Well, Allie, thank you. Thank you. Thank you for, for Thank you all ing this up.

Jake: Yeah. Um, explaining it to two knuckle Dragers, such as Frank and I. Um, and again, I'm gonna have some research to do myself and, and figure this one out 'cause 

Allie: Yeah. 

Jake: Um, good as the enemy of great. And I don't plan on dying any, any, any day soon. No. 

Allie: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I will send you a little list of, of all the things that I think y'all should do.

Jake: We 

Allie: appreciate it. I mean, I could talk about this all day, y'all know that, so 

Jake: I, seriously, you can't tell like, we're gonna call you. Like that's just a foregone conclusion. 

Frank: Yeah. 

Allie: Cool. 

Jake: Awesome. Thank you 

Frank: so 

Jake: much. 

Frank: So nice meeting you. 

Allie: Thank y'all so much. So good to meet you. 

Jake: Take care. Bye. 

Allie: Take care. Happy New Year.

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